Posts by Half banana

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Bible Teach Book points the finger at JW's themselves!

by The Fall Guy in

one of my all-time favourite illustrations:.

bible teach, chap.

16 p. 154 pars.

Half banana

When you stop and consider the the reasons for using these illustrations, it is purely to put the wind up JWs who might start thinking for themselves. The Watchtower want zombies who are kept subservient through guilt and fear.

However, if a JW did give some thought to it. . .

1/JW org says that all other religions contaminate true worship. Is it not easy to spot that the illustration and its language is a crude fear mongering ploy to stop witnesses thinking and mixing with non JWs?

2/ With a bit of reasoning on provable fundamentals (which JWs are discouraged from at all costs) then it becomes apparent that "true religion" like its bedfellow "true worship" are baseless constructs employed by the JW org to frame the religious vision for their members. In the real world they do not exist! And who says humans need to worship anything ever? Only religious cults.

Worship is not precious, its an appalling waste of valuable time and it is JW org who contaminates people's minds not other religions.

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Is there evidence about Jaracz?

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

read some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.

g..

Half banana

I was interrupted and didn't edit my last sentence--I meant to say that where an individual had committed a sin, confessed and then went on serving the org with blessings from God (how do you measure that?) then it was overlooked. Plenty of ambiguity here for high ranking sex abusers to remain anonymous I think.

Indeed there are rumours-- but sometimes it is possible to read between the lines. The ARC recognised that the JW org has an in-house system in place which purportedly deals with child abuse but conceals the identity of of the abusers and ignores the welfare of the victims.

Whoever instituted this arrangement (was Jaracz behind it?) must be culpable along with the governing body who willingly perpetuate it.

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Is there evidence about Jaracz?

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

read some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.

g..

Half banana

Thank you for the clarification STADD.

@Simon, of course you are right, rumour is not evidence and should not be the basis for accusations. However we must investigate and put all the information into the open.

Regarding the woman who claimed to have been abused by Jaracz we are all in the same bind as JW org all too readily promotes that there needs to be a witness to the abuse which there never is. Without record of a forensic interview with the alleged victim, and with this distance in time, we will probably never know.

There remain the questions of why Jaracz was demoted and why was he the leading proponent of the unreasonable and hurtful cult protecting rule of "two witnesses". Only a person who has something to hide or who is totally insensitive to victims of the religion would do such a thing.

From his personality assessment it seems he was a company man through and through which means he would be useful to the org whatever he might have or not have done "two or three years before" and keep the approval of the remaining officers of HQ. (I refer here to the Watchtower around the same time introducing the new half hearted notion of forgiveness by means of appearing to have made a mistake but carrying on with evidence of Jehovah's blessing.)

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Is there evidence about Jaracz?

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

read some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.

g..

Half banana

Looking into the matter, I realise that Dogpatch is Randy Watters.

I came across a reference to Jaracz who as a district overseer went into the bedroom of a poster on this site when he was a boy and turned on the light to look at him. Creepy or what!

I believe that it was Flipper who replied to the post but I can't find it again.

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Is there evidence about Jaracz?

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

read some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.

g..

Half banana

About four years ago I wrote on Ex-JW forum that it was my conclusion that the proposal of using the Biblical precedent for “two witnesses” was a ploy which must have been instigated to hide pedophiles high up in the JW hierarchy.

The cleverness of the idea is that although it is illogical, since sexual perversion is by nature hidden, yet at the same time the Bible with its Bronze Age rulings, mentions the need for two witnesses before penalties are awarded to an accused person. The opportunist and pharisaical JW leaders chose to take the Jewish law literally and dogmatically without reference to reason and with self protection in mind.

Today I just found out who it was that introduced it: Theodore Jaracz.

Have a look at Dogpatch's post from 7 years ago quoting Randall Watters inside account of Knorr and Jaracz at the end of Knorr's life.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/207500/ever-changing-watch-tower-doctrines-betray-corruption

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Two May 19th articles about Lauren Stuart who killed her husband & two children-left a video & suicide note blaming sexual abuse & exclusion

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5748191/woman-blamed-sexual-abuse-ostracism-jehovahs-witness-reasons-killing-suicide.html.

revealed: ex-jehovah's witness turned model, 45, left a video and suicide note blaming childhood sex abuse and exclusion from her religion for killing her husband and children.

lauren stuart of keego harbor, michigan had been researching suicide methods on youtube and videos on how to use a glock for weeks .

Half banana

Another appalling tragedy, the result of convoluted reasoning, guilt and cultic teachings. The woman was still a believer in the JW belief system though excluded from fellowship.

I once had it explained to me by a sister who cheerfully reasoned that it was better to die to avoid the problems of remaining faithful and having to endure the stress of surviving Armageddon. I had to show her that this was a serious mistake and mentally unhealthy.

If you belong to a religion which puts “belief” and obedience to the Watchtower as the prime good above the value of the one life you experience-- as the JW cult does, it is not surprising that suicides and family murders will continue in this community.

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Suicide in the spiritual paradise all too common

by doubtfull1799 in

just heard that a young brother committed suicide this week - the whole congregation is naturally very distressed.

what a tragedy.

according to my source he'd only been married about a year and his wife found him - he’d hung himself.

Half banana

@ scratchme, don't you think that more to the point is the total disregard by JW HQ of the down side of their cult, the real consequences of being a JW-- private self loathing, cognitive dissonance, the neurotic obsession with religion, the suppression of personal expression and fulfilment?

Through the Watchtower study and JWTV they only project the way they think their flock should be, and not confront the reality of their followers who struggle to meet the inhuman standards they set.

There are much better and happier ways of living than slaving for the JW org. The poor man who died may have had problems but JW beliefs are never a practical help for troubled people.

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Do you want to play with bears? You are now qualified for baptism!

by neat blue dog in

at today's wt study about child baptism, someone commented and she pointed to the picture of the little girl playing with her teddy bear.

she said, 'she may be looking at her bear and thinking about getting to play with bears in the new system.

her parents notice this, and they decide since it's real to her she may be ready for baptism.

Half banana

I think the word needs to be spread around the congregations that if you don't want to get disfellowshipped, then don't get dunked.......

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Do you want to play with bears? You are now qualified for baptism!

by neat blue dog in

at today's wt study about child baptism, someone commented and she pointed to the picture of the little girl playing with her teddy bear.

she said, 'she may be looking at her bear and thinking about getting to play with bears in the new system.

her parents notice this, and they decide since it's real to her she may be ready for baptism.

Half banana

Another example to show that the JW governing body are only self interested in their survival as a viable religious corporation. Their focus is to keep the membership numbers high enough to perpetuate the religion and its income.

If they were really putting spiritual things first they would put the welfare of their followers first and have responsible adults who love their children unconditionally. This would involve unselfishly putting the emotional development and education of their offspring as a priority . Instead of this common sense and loving approach, what does the JW leadership call for?............Entrapment!............. Stick your children into a dire brainless cult, get them baptised so they can't leave without breaking up the family bonds.

The JW religion is ruthless -- to encourage baptism for youngsters at an age before they can evaluate the lifetime consequences of doing so is a callous trap. If you value happy family life and common sense, have nothing to do with this abusive cult!

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They've given themselves a out for refusing to give you your data if you ask for it

by purrpurr in

from the jw.org global data page.

"upon receipt of your written request, after you provide sufficient evidence of your identity and enough information to permit us to identify your personal data, the applicable data controller will fairly consider granting the request by balancing the interests of the individual in gaining access to data or correcting or deleting data against the legitimate interests of the organization, including whether granting the request would endanger the organization’s right to religious freedom and practice.

we will also notify any third-party recipients of the necessary changes.. please note that your data may not be erased if processing is required by law or if the data may be kept on other legal bases.

Half banana

Is it possible that this measure is a response to the correct accusation that JW HQ withholds information which is valuable to the police? Are they now making a registration to show that they comply?

Or is it the thin end of another wedge?

I remember an alarm going off in my head back in the seventies when they decided to 'enforce volunteer' in that way that the Watchtower does, that all congs should use the Org (it was called "the Society" back then) for the purpose of insuring kingdom halls with HQ. This gave them an extra income plus the details of the title deeds to all the properties worldwide. It paved the way in the next decade for a take-over of all the deeds to all the KHs--this audacious move was a financial coup worthy of the greediest capitalist who would take advantage of the innocent.

Is a similar loss of freedom being plotted in the new registration? They already have the minds and hearts of their lobotomised followers, what more do they want?

Possibly the information leading to harvesting the estates of members and ex members who die intestate?